How hateful they can be.
First, I confess, that one reason for the previous post on Tom Cruise was to test whether or not I figured out how posting videos to the blog actually worked. And it did. I guess all that praying really helped. Not!
Now I have blogged before about the vile creatures from the Westboro Baptist Church and their campaign of hatred. But seeing is believing. Here is one of the cult members laying out exactly how hateful they really are. I've got more as well including material these lunatics produced themselves. But I won't put too much on at one time. No sane person could take it.
posted by GodlessZone at Thursday, May 11, 2006
20 Comments:
thats interesting....
May 11, 2006
I hate to say it and didn't think it possible, but these Calvinist Baptists are actually worse than coulter or Robertson. Hard to believe. And you haven't even seen everything I have for later posting. Too much at once would be too depressing.
May 12, 2006
How DARE she judge the acts of our Lord, the God of "Abraham Isaac and Jacob", and say God kills soldiers, God hates gay people, God hates Jews, God comitted the attacks on september the 11th, God is in their eyes a judge, wieghing, and terrorizing our nation. What good have they done then, to receive His word? What disgusting God we would have, what hateful, and unForgiving God we would have.
God has chosen His fruit even before there was time, we cannot be chosen anymore. Judgement does not exsist in the eyes of the Lord, hatred is as sinful as adultery. This is not what Jesus, the Christ, died for.
I completely share the opinions and obvious pain and disgust, of the two men in this interview. The WBC is the grocest of all churches I have ever heard of. I'd even say Islamists are less filthy than this beast. This Phelps creature of hatred and blaspheme. We are lucky this disgusting cult hasn't turned to fysical violence yet. And that you Americans are sane enough to know that this crap is not what God has, or ever shall, have in mind.
You know, sometimes I think it IS a pity God doesn't judge and destroy the evil ones. We wouldn't be disgusted by these demons then. May the Go of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be aware of their evil, and blesphamous acts. Criminals against all of Christian beliefs and values. How could it have been that the love of God, has made His beloved sinners the cruelest and most disgusting creatures to ever walk the earth?
Halleluja.
May 12, 2006
Within Calvinist theology (which inspired the Dutch Reformed Church as you would know) she is consistent. If god is sovereign then nothing can really happen outside the will of god so what happens must be the will of god. And the vile acts she attributes to this deity are no more vile than the ones attributed to him in the Old Testament.
Is hatred sinful in a theological sense? Well, if you believe in a god then sin is merely anything that violates his edicts. There is no law above him governming his actions only his own law. Thus if he condemns you for hating your hatred is a sin but his own would not be. Things are only a sin because that is what he orders.
Now as you have conceded the New Testament is not particularly reliable for history either so when you say "this is not what Jesus, the Christ, died for" you actually have no way of knowing that. The best you can do is hope there was a reason that corresponds with what you prefer. But you can't know.
And the reason God "doesn't judge and destroy the evil ones" is the same reason he doesn't help starving children, put an end to tsunamis that kill by thousands, etc. The reason is so simple that most people ignore it. He isn't there. All these things that seem so confusing when you assume he exists make sense when you assume he doesn't.
May 12, 2006
No debate as to the odious nature of Coulter and Robertson. Even when I agree with Coulter's conclusions I don't agree with how she got there or how she expressed it (usally as cruelly as possible). They may, in their hearts, agree with this bunch and are just smart enough (or too cowardly) to state their true opinions. But that is just conjecture and we need to be clear about that.
Yes, they do bring about the demise of Christian sentiments and no they don't realize it. They aren't that bright. That this is detrimental to religious thinking, which I think dangerous anyway, is the reason I point it out.
As for women being silent the verse in question says "in the churches' so they could use that as an out. Plus the N.T. is a translation from Greek and theologians of a fundie bent can make things mean other things. Some argue that in Greek it really refers to specific women, not all women, and Paul is telling that one group of women to shut up. Paul's letter is a reply to the Corinthians. But we don't know what they wrote him so his answers in return are not in context that makes them easily understandable. That is what one would expect if the N.T. is merely a collection of human writing. It is, however, a rather sloppy way for a god to deliver a divinely inspired manuscript to us. Very sloppy indeed.
May 12, 2006
I have my beliefs on the Bible, as any one, churched or not churched does. My view is that God has decided whom are to hear the Holy Spirit, and be with Him after death, and He threw His Son to earth, to make us aware of this fact. He teached us the Word of God, but we were incapable of keeping it clean, the result; Bible.
The NT, nor the OT is completely true, I'd even say it's less than half true. Point is, this woman has such a bad interpretation of the Bible, and believes everything, obviously, that it says, that she goes around shouting this crap. She claimes that her, and that entire, vile church of her, perception of the Bible, is the only good one. Sure, every church does that. I agree that the Bible is a very sloppy way to make His kingdom known to man, but the Holy Spirit is His tool to do so, the Bible is not more than a clotted history book to me.
God exsists alright, that is my belief, He is not buissy regulating the weather, He doesn't help starving children, He doesn't make the evil suffer on earth. His realm is the afterlife; that's where he regulates the weather, would there be weather, and that's where he plays gardener. You don't believe in God, nor the Christ, and that is your choice your destiny, I respect you for it.
And yes, Hatred is sinful. The Bible, for all it's worth, tells you to love one another, and forgive. A sin can be interpreted in many ways. You can follow those 7 deadly sins, which I find redicilous, and you can look at sin as a bad thing to do, a waste, a cost to yourself or others. I do the last, and many with me. The sins in the Bible, and the extremes to which you take that book, are what makes these extremists so damned hateful. Sure, I hate them, they are for as far as I know, the thing I hate most. We are all sinners, and it's no use focussing on Gays. What concerns me most, is that this filthy group is the most extreme rascists union I've ever seen, or catched a scent of.
Jesus lived to teach us, after Moses. He died to forgive His people of sins comitted in the past, present and future. God is a really nive guy to send down His only Son as a sacrfice. Well, only... it must be quite boring up in heaven. Anyway, after Jesus died, the Holy Spirit came down, and started a queeste to find and enter the souls of God.
So Jesus did NOT die to find His people starting churches, damning each other in His name, fighting each other in His name. He died to redeem us, and release us from our debt. Sins are simple social codes actually. There is no one weighing your soul on a scale, to see wether you douls pass into heaven, or go down to hell, I don't believe that. Sins are more of a way to make God a little happier; He knows we won't be able to live without sin.
May 12, 2006
This is getting to a discussion huh, and I'm sorry that that last comment was way TOO LONG. We do agree that the WBC is a very evil and hateful place, let's keep it there, regardless of our personal beliefs.
May 12, 2006
If Hannity is indeed a Christian then he's wrong and this wacko woman is correct.
If you believe in the B.S. of the bible, and an omnipotent God, then you're pretty much stuck believing what this wacko woman is saying. Whatever happens in life, including "dead soldiers" is a "blessing" from the Lord and is not to be questioned.
May 13, 2006
Einzige, what you say is true, but only true, concerning the people who completely obey the Bible, and thus believe all that is said in it is true. There is no way to justifie the incredible blasphemy by the WBC, but even more disgusting, are their actions of hatred.
If this is the true God, I reject Him. Thank God He isn't in my eyes.
May 14, 2006
Derreck: The problem here is your own. Either the Bible is god's word or man's. (I say the later). If it is man's then it is no different than any other book. It it is god's then you have to obey it. A third position, less consistent is that it "contains" the word of a god. In that case which sections? How do you pick which sections to believe and which to ignore? And why is it that a god couldn't be cruel, vicious, etc? What is there to prevent this?
You finally say: "If this is the true God, I reject him. Thank God He isn't in my eyes.". You eyes don't make something what it is is. That is the nature of anything is what it is whether you see it that way or not.
May 14, 2006
Heh, the sections I choose do not exsist. I enjoy keeping a healthy barrier between fiction, rubbish, and crap, and the Truth. I choose that Truth, the Bible is not just ink and paper, that is what it needs, the Bible is a combination of storys, events. The church has had great influence on this Book. This is true, though many denie it, because God would have stpped them from even thinking so. I don't believe God is buissy saving that Book at all.
I think the biggest problem with God, is that He hasn't left a profile down here on earth. That would simplify things a bit. Now we have to rely on the Bible. I can't find it completely true, that would be stupid to me, so I rely on several storys to be true, and do not stick to the text that much. The story is what I believe, not the Book. Storys are what your mind makes of a book, this is my story, my view upon God.
May 14, 2006
Dear friend: You write: "I choose the Truth" and "I rely on several stories to be true", "the story is what I believe, not the book..." How do you know which stories are true? If the book is unreliable why assume any one stoy in it is reliable? If one part could be wrong couldn't all parts be wrong? My question was HOW do you determine what to believe and what not to believe? I still don't know how you do that.
May 14, 2006
To answer you directly:
-It is man's writing, containing the STORY of God.
-God isn't cruel, viscious or anything, because He is divine, and stnds above such stupiditys.
-My eyes are perfectly capable to seperate truth from lies, thank you. Everyone has a diferent view on the Bible, we are all different. My view is not so much attached to the Bible as any one I ever spoke to (except for the unFaithfull), the church has poisoned the Bible, to get more power. I believe the main stories are true. I keep my options open concerning many things though; wether Judas did or did not trade Jesus's life a couple ah coins for example. The core is true to me, and whatever you want to read of the ink and paper is your buissines.
May 14, 2006
I determine the Truth by what my conscious allows me to believe. My sanity so to speak. I believe only the core, as the rest is too unreliable to choose from.
May 14, 2006
Strong Bible belief is what I think drives many persons to the extremes we both find disgraceful, my friend; I am not attached to any church, because there is no good one, I rely on my own like more should do.
May 14, 2006
Get my point? What the ink says doesn't matter, wether Judas did or did not betray Jesus, doesn't matter. The story of God matters, those little things are useless. People who do take them for the "Word of a God" are the extremists, I denie the God you find in the ink, but pursue the Spirit you gather from it.
May 14, 2006
...the story that is. ;)
May 14, 2006
Again all you do is restate the same thing and not answer the question as to how it is that pick which parts to believe and which parts not to believe. Saying you pick that which is reasonable to you doesn't make it true does it? Something is or is not true on it's own. Your perception of an orange is not what makes it orange. You perceive it as being orange because it is. God, if there is one, has a nature. Your perception of him does not create the nature instead, at best you can claim that his nature determines your perceptions. Reality is not what we want it to be. It is what it is.
And I just find your claims that you pick and choose odd without understanding how you pick and choose. You still offer no reaon why a divine entity has to be a nice guy either. Sure it would scare the shit out of us if he were cruel. But the scares us to think vipers are deadly so we avoid them. Why couldn't a god be cruel? Not liking a fact of reality wouldn't doesn't stop it from being a fact. Of course I don't think there are gods so I don't think there are cruel gods or kind ones either.
May 14, 2006
The problem here is the Bible, isn't it? I don't believe in that Book, I take the storys from it, and put my Faith in those. How should any of us know which story in the Bible is or is not true? It can only be entirely true if God himself wrote it. Now Jesus didn't write the Bible, nor did God. Men did, and put their own values in it, thereby starting all this shit. I read the Bible, and believe the story, I do not, however, accept what is written in the story. I did say this before, I know. But I never said it was true, it isn't called a belief for nothing you know. I believe the story to be true, I don't say you have to.
God can be cruel, but that would mean God doesn't do shit for us. How many people prayed for an end to the tornado's? How many people died praying, asking for food or water, or medication? Why wouldn't God listen to them, and do listen to the daily rubbish churches throw in the air? He can't. So why would God bother to be cruel and kill soldiers, and damn gays to hell, if He doesn't bother helping us, or have some springs jump up in Africa?
It is possible God is completely cruel and just started this planet to see some good, raw suffering. But that would be very depressing to believe. Why would there be saviour if He is only cruel?
I believe in the God I imagined from the storys I took from the Bible. You probably read it, and stand strong in your disbelief. That is your choice, my choice was, and is to believe in that one God I found in the story of the NT and the story of Moses.
So I don't know wether God does exsist, but I do believe so. I enjoy believeing that, and it may be a very, wel, HUGE lie, but who can say? I am not extreme, I hope you don't think so either my friend, and I want to make something good out of this life, having Faith in the next; this life does mean enough to me to not throw all my sense out of the window, I find my God a nice guy, as well as I find Darwin smart and just. Gensis is a good example, and proof, that the Bible is not the book of God. But I don't have to tell you that.
This is getting a bit long aye?
May 14, 2006
Derreck,
Then why call yourself a "Christian" at all? You have decided that you know best what is and is not true in the bible. That's not Christianity, that's the definition of arbitrarity--and arrogance in the face of the almighty. You might in fact be going to hell for blaspheming the holy spirit for saying such a thing!
Why would there be a saviour if he is only cruel?
Maybe the simple answer is that there isn't one.
My question to you is: Why would a god who is supposedly all-powerful and who purportedly cares about "saving" his creations allow his "WORD" to become corrupted, unreliable, and untruthful? Isn't that also cruel?
"What the ink says" does matter, because otherwise you're not a Christian! How do you even have "a story" without the ink? How do you distinguish between Jesus's claim that he is "the way" from the fact that Jews don't believe he is the messiah and Islam thinks you're an infidel without paying attention to "the ink"?
I'd have a lot fewer problems with your brand of deism if you repudiated "Christianity" (and all other organized religions who put a claim on "truth") and simply said "I believe there is a God of some sort."
May 14, 2006
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